Hugo Race joins Dave Graney to discuss I Made It All Up For You, his new album with long-running Italian collaborators Fatalists.

Race discusses knowing when a song simply hasn’t “arrived” yet, finding space to write in solitude, and what survives when almost everything is thrown away.

With Jennifer Charles joining the record and the Fatalists scattered across Italy, Hugo reflects on a project built across years of musical familiarity.

I Made It All Up For You is out now.