From an episode of Future PerfectPresented by Dylan Bird

Interview

Future Perfect: The global consequences of the US and Israel’s attacks in the Middle East

Dylan Bird is joined by Dr Emma Shortis, Director of the Australia Institute's International & Security Affairs Program, to break down Donald Trump’s threat to end Iran’s “whole civilisation”, the fate of NATO and US allyship, as well as what Anthony Albanese’s fuel security meetings in Asia signal for the country’s geopolitical strategy.

“[The attacks on Iran are] an absolute, unmitigated disaster … it’s quite clear that [Trump] doesn’t have a strategy - what he wants is the total humiliation and capitulation and destruction of Iran, and big surprise: the regime in Iran is not okay with that and has responded accordingly”

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Dylan Bird and Emma Shortis
Listen to Future Perfect: The global consequences of the US and Israel’s attacks in the Middle East22:0513 April 2026