Consider the lobster! Ellena Savage joins Mel in the studio to discuss The Ruiners: Ellena's whip smart, gleefully diabolical, funny and despairing debut novel. What happens when three sexual intellectuals commune together in a dilapidated mansion on a neglected Greek Island with an illegal waste problem? Ellena and Mel get Dickensian and surreal as they discuss anti-inheritance, talking crustaceans, the anthropocene and – truly – the power of love.

The Ruiners is out now in all good bookshops.