From an episode of Future PerfectPresented by Dylan Bird

Interview

Future Perfect: Improving The Pacific Australia Labour Mobility Scheme

Dylan Bird is joined by Peter Mares, independent researcher and contributing editor to Inside Story, for a deep dive on the Pacific Australia Labour Mobility Scheme, the dangers it currently poses to migrant workers. and what actions can be taken to improve the scheme, as explored in his new report through Scanlon Foundation.

“The bigger question for us as Australians is: who do we want to do these jobs? Who do we want to staff aged care facilities in regional and rural Australia? Who is going to slaughter and cut up our meat? Who is going to pick the fruit? … It’s easy to say migration is too high, it’s harder to say where we should slow it down or what kind of migration is desirable and what kind isn’t.”

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Dylan Bird and Peter Mares
Listen to Future Perfect: Improving The Pacific Australia Labour Mobility Scheme23:399 February 2026