Tristen Harris is joined by Zachary Cole Smith, band leader and founder of NY shoegazers DIIV this week on The Golden Age of Piracy ahead of their appearance as part of Rising.

Formed in 2011, DIIV have released four albums that have been both critically acclaimed, and beloved by fans. Named after a song from Nirvana, one of their earlier influences, their sound and inspiration has grown exponentially over the last decade and a half.

Listen below to hear Cole discuss his Formative Five songs, and how they've shaped his music.