Environmentalist, conservationist and former leader of the Australian Greens, Bob Brown, joins host Amy Mullins ahead of his upcoming panel appearance, ‘Climate Change in Australia: Where to Now?’. Bob talks to Amy about how the climate debate occurs in ideological, as opposed to pragmatic, realms, and why this obscures the severity of what is going on. He also discusses the individual, political and cultural features of climate denial and why becoming an active citizen is essential to overcoming them.